Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62867 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48633 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2012 14:12:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2012 14:12:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyra3l@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyra3l@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pb0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.42] ([209.85.160.42:38232] helo=mail-pb0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 69/F8-03079-E4FA8405 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 10:12:30 -0400 Received: by pbbrp8 with SMTP id rp8so2653582pbb.29 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:12:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=8GzthhY2euMWRVjD04hFR3CIXB6Q7jg2jdSW9dAH9EU=; b=hJrXD7eNmTiy7w7wnBVrOluWCSe1ZUdJMaVM2KWXp2LXH65lmR7hiy12ER9qpFlj58 loPip+nXjE9iWUfN478/oIzmFx+kWEjuJY6JP5DpUNIdS/UA3Atdym8a2rZnRIi4fGYJ OO/CkM/b1S4VTlI1Imw9sq4mb7HIlhikaD3Y8Y0armZvSPzfMaTs5fegbbo035vqUNBe qbl7NnFt4HS0B/7q18VYkQzOCQ48mLxf2O7bNAM0R+H3UsWL7q+Y1kittlaz/SDOV/PY DIED7T7SABNu6+JQzoO77HVWGE7RavwBaMoamzfO083jUKapK565WdeK57fZbagrKGoG mVaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.138.163 with SMTP id qr3mr4667266pbb.161.1346940747553; Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.222.230 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Sep 2012 07:12:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50489CD7.5040003@php.net> References: <504836A3.20904@zend.com> <50485647.1060102@hoa-project.net> <50485AA6.4090803@sugarcrm.com> <50486410.4010407@php.net> <5048686E.5080800@sugarcrm.com> <50489CD7.5040003@php.net> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 16:12:27 +0200 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15fb15ca9b8f04c9091414 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Moving to an AST-based parsing/compilation process From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs) --047d7b15fb15ca9b8f04c9091414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote= : > On 09/06/2012 10:15 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > >> I propose putting together and RFC and a PoC ASAP, and then we can talk >> about facts instead of opinions and biased views on the topic. >> > > That would be the reasonable thing to do, yes. But that is easy for me > easy to say as I will not be able to help in the process apart from > testing. It is up to Nikita (and those who want to help him) to decide > whether they want to invest their time and effort into writing a new > parser for PHP when it is unclear whether it will be accepted. > > > what I meant to say is that currently we are arguing on feelings and beliefs, and I can't see how could we get an agreement whether or not does the pros overweight the cons. that can only happen after we have something on our hands to actually pick apart and measure. until then there is no point making assumptions and trying to convince the other side to change their opinions. --=20 Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --047d7b15fb15ca9b8f04c9091414--