Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62561 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50096 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2012 12:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Aug 2012 12:24:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:51142] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 98/E1-39149-0E66B305 for ; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:24:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21B6ADE13D; Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:23:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:23:58 +0100 (BST) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: Stas Malyshev cc: Andrew Faulds , Yahav Gindi Bar , Laruence , PHP Internals In-Reply-To: <503A68F9.9050405@sugarcrm.com> Message-ID: References: <503A68F9.9050405@sugarcrm.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Stas Malyshev wrote: > > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to > > turn up, too bad. > > Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what > we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource > project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is > "too bad", and it is exactly the problem we're having - without > participation, votes are decided by a random sample of whoever > bothered to appear, often on a single vote. > > This is not a way to build consensus. It is a very unhealthy state of > things, and it only contributes to the image of PHP as a project > having no direction, no governance and basically existing in a state > of brownian motion. I thought we were trying to shed this image. I very much agree with this. cheers, Derick