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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach
From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com (Hannes Magnusson)

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn
>> up, too bad.
>
> Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what
> we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource
> project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is
> "too bad", and it is exactly the problem we're having - without
> participation, votes are decided by a random sample of whoever bothered
> to appear, often on a single vote.
> This is not a way to build consensus.  It is a very unhealthy state of
> things, and it only contributes to the image of PHP as a project having
> no direction, no governance and basically existing in a state of
> brownian motion. I thought we were trying to shed this image.


I couldn't agree more.
Which is why I have been trying to preach
http://producingoss.com/en/consensus-democracy.html

-Hannes