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Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 18:18:22 -0700
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > I honestly don't see what the problem is. If the sample is indeed random,
> > there's no bias as to what the voters as whole would do, tough for close
> > votes or for votes where very few people vote the result could differ.
>
> The problem is that this is not consensus, this is apathy and
> disfunction. If out of 100 or 1000 or whatever we have project
> participants we can barely find a dozen that want to support a
> particular change - can we really say this change has the support of the
> developer community?
>
> > But most importantly, I would prefer that the people voting actually
> > thought hard about the proposal. And it's more likely (I think) that
>
> I'd prefer that too. That's another problem with votes which I did talk
> about in the past too. However, right now we do not have any guarantee
> that those 10 people that voted are those that thought hard about the
> proposal, and not just saw it first time yesterday and thought "neat,
> let's do it, I'll spend as much time on it as it takes to click 'yes'
> button". I want to emphasize here I don't mean anybody in particular
> that would do that (I hope nobody does), I am just saying we do not have
> any way of knowing that, so if you're concerned about that current
> situation is not ideal.
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>
I agree that can be a problem.  However, I'm not sure what a viable
solution would be.  After all, Democracy or not, lack of participation can
be crippling to a project.  The obvious answer would be to increase
participation somehow, but that's much easier said than done.  It's even
worse for us since PHP is written in C, which makes the learning curve for
potential new contributors intimidatingly (and perhaps even prohibitively)
steep.  Short of killing ourselves rewriting it in C++, I'm not sure there
is an ideal solution to this problem.

--Kris

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