Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62523 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43584 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2012 18:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Aug 2012 18:30:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=petercowburn@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=petercowburn@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: petercowburn@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.170 mail-vc0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.170] ([209.85.220.170:52643] helo=mail-vc0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D6/18-00843-43B6A305 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:30:13 -0400 Received: by vcbgb30 with SMTP id gb30so4254040vcb.29 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cJmTcebrGkEY/Q1HirvzZY3eSBpqBuDg0YjZsSQlwSQ=; b=mRGDue75UuUkkdM+6jA5qIKmZNJONKm5plN6WmBHRV3ZP88ISGa2Ul677KDxk0i8hJ 46V4jGtz7XERYDBlE93QEsFACw0x4zj+WPQMCKZ3vtiYFDOAj135wHxSidTDOEWvpSs2 1fCMoOb/q2FcOZbsssRjw7UFN3tBcPmUivK4ScOtpotx8tULTOTBrkWy3qFPkxSYE4WR T3rc4wDqI+Drsweg0h7bK69xnq06K9EdZcQaSwtvllTcL6v+bl16wFLDrGc2gXzyXKGq YpCXNG4HDBETBDS32E3ntuNgwMRpjO/myQgJ2XfkE/I2An5sX1HKsbeS6J+rnTo4Qh36 tnDw== Received: by 10.220.149.6 with SMTP id r6mr8709387vcv.53.1346005810298; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.114.230 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <503A68F9.9050405@sugarcrm.com> References: <503A68F9.9050405@sugarcrm.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:29:30 +0100 Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev Cc: Andrew Faulds , Yahav Gindi Bar , Laruence , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach From: petercowburn@gmail.com (Peter Cowburn) On 26 August 2012 19:20, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what > we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource > project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is > "too bad", and it is exactly the problem we're having - without > participation, votes are decided by a random sample of whoever bothered > to appear, often on a single vote. > This is not a way to build consensus. It is a very unhealthy state of > things, and it only contributes to the image of PHP as a project having > no direction, no governance and basically existing in a state of > brownian motion. I thought we were trying to shed this image. For what it's worth, I have been following the RFC and internals threads on this topic and even after all that still have no strong opinion one way or the other. If there was an "on the fence" option in the polls, I would have chosen that. I did not toss a coin and choose one or the other purely because when there are so few votes, every one is significant =97 lets let those who feel they have put the time and effort* into coming to a conclusion have their say. (* lets hope that's the case anyway)