Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62522 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 41463 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2012 18:20:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Aug 2012 18:20:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 67.192.241.143 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.192.241.143 smtp143.dfw.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [67.192.241.143] ([67.192.241.143:57110] helo=smtp143.dfw.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 78/A7-00843-CF86A305 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:20:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 779E43A0281; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:20:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp4.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id EE2843A02D4; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <503A68F9.9050405@sugarcrm.com> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:20:41 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Faulds CC: Yahav Gindi Bar , Laruence , PHP Internals References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn > up, too bad. Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is "too bad", and it is exactly the problem we're having - without participation, votes are decided by a random sample of whoever bothered to appear, often on a single vote. This is not a way to build consensus. It is a very unhealthy state of things, and it only contributes to the image of PHP as a project having no direction, no governance and basically existing in a state of brownian motion. I thought we were trying to shed this image. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227