Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62520 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 37555 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2012 18:14:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Aug 2012 18:14:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=david.coallier@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=david.coallier@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.214.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: david.coallier@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.170 mail-ob0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.170] ([209.85.214.170:44942] helo=mail-ob0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0B/B6-00843-A776A305 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 14:14:19 -0400 Received: by obbwc18 with SMTP id wc18so7942818obb.29 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=DkoLVTVqKWk8HGNYJgaB1GzlfEWM8zzHA5NK7Gi2lMY=; b=GTWk3D5UYmacI2SYH8sPqXkJnifodIILqwQvKSehThS3K4XCUfWSXGcpr2jD7UURsk qVT8dEDFZLQyyGmzzTpcEMWXhaezOQiGLM6+tQuoWYY3M4qlVoZ1QkEX0iMauz2cgArx ocZU6PFwy/PEIii2Xs7RTwF2+xk8lOSjgk70mpHOsZItA4P0rxdEP8mkAxdae9INLAln enn5bKB5zZFopSpfVYsAVOqhC5Vpac4LgJZCMAo3k+zg7+fQuXIoaZofJaK+SaOXTWsd 18l9uzjCNvEawPmI93on3ndwNVjBiotw+Fl+6lejTelZebhQNWZh6XQQn+4L0+uZcjwj iSPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.193.105 with SMTP id hn9mr8306365obc.11.1346004855153; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: david.coallier@gmail.com Received: by 10.182.228.100 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <503A1E3C.8040201@lsces.co.uk> References: <503897B4.8020303@lsces.co.uk> <5038C04D.9080509@lsces.co.uk> <5038C0F8.9060008@ajf.me> <5038D2B1.6060704@lsces.co.uk> <5038D5A2.6050002@ajf.me> <5038D6D0.8020100@lsces.co.uk> <5038D850.6020009@ajf.me> <5038F92A.2040900@lsces.co.uk> <503913FE.4060602@cubiclesoft.com> <503A1E3C.8040201@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:14:15 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: cdtwhKXfAc-wUVRKnYWxOvl90YQ Message-ID: To: Lester Caine Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Older style frameworks ... From: davidc@php.net (David Coallier) ..snip > > Robert ... The main problem with the PHP5.3/4 changes are that the attitude > with PHP5.3 was 'you don't have to worry', but very quickly that became 'now > you do' simply by the switch of the default on e_strict. Perhaps when every > existing project is totally e_strict complaint things can be different, but > the amount of work needed to be carried out is simply not being achieved, so > we have to decide if we want to spend time fixing things like PEAR - my own > patches for which I've recently published - or simply switch off the problem > and disable e_strict? I know I've been banging on about this for a long time > - but I'm still trying to update my own and other peoples code to work > cleanly today :( It would be nice to see a few more people helping ... > rather than simply complaining at my moaning ... PHP created the problems > 'full stop' > Ok, I believe your views have been expressed clearly and for the sanity of the mailing-list I'd consider stopping this thread. I would however suggest that you create an RFC which outlines exactly what you'd like to change and how you'd like to see it change and from there, a vote will ensue. -- David Coallier