Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62491 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76553 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2012 17:07:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Aug 2012 17:07:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.127 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.127 c2bthomr09.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.127] ([213.123.20.127:20179] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DE/EB-06857-16609305 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr09.btconnect.com with ESMTP id IXI29728; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:07:42 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <5039065D.9090500@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:07:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "internals@lists.php.net >> PHP internals" References: <503897B4.8020303@lsces.co.uk> <5038C04D.9080509@lsces.co.uk> <5038C0F8.9060008@ajf.me> <5038D2B1.6060704@lsces.co.uk> <5038D5A2.6050002@ajf.me> <5038D6D0.8020100@lsces.co.uk> <5038D850.6020009@ajf.me> <5038F92A.2040900@lsces.co.uk> <5038FF88.3030700@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: <5038FF88.3030700@lerdorf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Good-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.5039065D.0085, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.8.25.163620:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODY_ENDS_IN_URL, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1400_1499, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr09.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020B.5039065E.0089:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Older style frameworks ... From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> Andrew Faulds wrote: >>>> >>>Personally I have to live with real life, and just want to help >>>> >>>change that >>>> >>>situation. >>> >>Me too. My code relies on out-of-date extensions and PHP features, >>> >>which is why >>> >>I'm*refactoring* and*rewriting* the parts which do. >> > >> >Exactly what I've been doing for the last year ... INCLUDING PEAR >> >At the expense of adding NEW facilities for my customers. >> >But with the goal posts continuing to be moved forward, it would be nice >> >to have a goal to aim at? Which is why I'm asking for one ... > Well, there won't be one. If anything we are trying to move faster. More > frequent smaller releases is the goal. The 3 years between 5.2 and 5.3 > was way too long. So why is moving all new work to PHP6 and introducing a freeze on PHP5.4 such a problem? In hindsight PHP5.4 SHOULD have been PHP6. We also need to be able to have stability that we can aim for in production. Loading up a new set of rework requirements to often just means that previous work never gets finished :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk