Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62489 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72204 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2012 16:38:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Aug 2012 16:38:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.212.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.42 mail-vb0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.42] ([209.85.212.42:45471] helo=mail-vb0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1B/0B-06857-E8FF8305 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:38:39 -0400 Received: by vbbfs19 with SMTP id fs19so1689441vbb.29 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=4S/pKac3kxR9HJaXhesN/7B7SFCqZGkRnqNUfO0HvPc=; b=IDsW392dScMtkfaR5HHsSRqILatHyz3el3jTGQ0Y+HWZGvc8APXpDfRUs1qmlPOZce qIe7sG96ds3z+CWB/UeTbgniX4FcYCsbeTsElZVYnFnFFSGBrcRqahVwTpU//eDYw60+ E7uNM7oi3AMapgyTd8/LP8V+C7xzF7Q8OPBFLFYjly4jezb7aCBba5cIZR/dCesjG8PE a3tjsheGFz9GnQ0oh5yDHIwCM8SLbZ/45U99Jm2nthOgTz94tIsNdN+zFGNAfs85PY9c gAfb5s8fII1BEXmQ/RHWGaN0e0qjXXD0QZpc5CJ7m5gB4hhLC8KdO2wnLd4+wCZOJKej TAIw== Received: by 10.220.149.131 with SMTP id t3mr7442500vcv.1.1345912716099; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.200.148] (c-50-131-44-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [50.131.44.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm6995457vdh.8.2012.08.25.09.38.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5038FF88.3030700@lerdorf.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 09:38:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lester Caine CC: "internals@lists.php.net >> PHP internals" References: <503897B4.8020303@lsces.co.uk> <5038C04D.9080509@lsces.co.uk> <5038C0F8.9060008@ajf.me> <5038D2B1.6060704@lsces.co.uk> <5038D5A2.6050002@ajf.me> <5038D6D0.8020100@lsces.co.uk> <5038D850.6020009@ajf.me> <5038F92A.2040900@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5038F92A.2040900@lsces.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlKyMO5TfZ1PqWJ4mmOYlEfIVbQbq2uo8NqHGq7JIB/K4yjc2NqmcEP/216IbH/zFl+W3ky Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Older style frameworks ... From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 08/25/2012 09:11 AM, Lester Caine wrote: > Andrew Faulds wrote: >>> Personally I have to live with real life, and just want to help >>> change that >>> situation. >> Me too. My code relies on out-of-date extensions and PHP features, >> which is why >> I'm *refactoring* and *rewriting* the parts which do. > > Exactly what I've been doing for the last year ... INCLUDING PEAR > At the expense of adding NEW facilities for my customers. > But with the goal posts continuing to be moved forward, it would be nice > to have a goal to aim at? Which is why I'm asking for one ... Well, there won't be one. If anything we are trying to move faster. More frequent smaller releases is the goal. The 3 years between 5.2 and 5.3 was way too long. -Rasmus