Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62476 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33797 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2012 11:52:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Aug 2012 11:52:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.186 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.186 c2beaomr08.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.186] ([213.123.26.186:50289] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 20/45-06857-79CB8305 for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 07:52:56 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr08.btconnect.com with ESMTP id IRZ38799; Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:52:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <5038BC91.9090004@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:52:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <503897B4.8020303@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Good-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.5038BC93.002A, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.8.25.113316:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __STOCK_PHRASE_8, BODY_ENDS_IN_URL, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1800_1899, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr08.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0209.5038BC95.0065:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Older style frameworks ... From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > So what do you propose? > There always will be people who don't want any new fearure or improvement but > their code workinf forever without any investment(refactoring) on their part. > We shouldn't stop the development for that alone. > If I were them, I would pick an enterprise distro like rhel, where I can get > just that: same php version for many years with support. The problem is that non one is supporting a LTS version of PHP5.2? And that is what is needed even to support the like of Joomla where I've had to switch off e_strict and e_warnings just to get it to run on the PHP5.4 servers. I'm not proposing anything, I'm asking if other people are having the same problem to find out what DOES need to be done. PHP5.2 IS still the mainstay of hosted services, and unfortunately the shit is hitting the fan when ISP's switch even to PHP5.3 simply because the bulk of sites are not updated everytime PHP changes something. What I would like to see is a sensible discussion on supporting the vast majority of users with the problems they will have in simply catching up. ISP's need to be educated as to settings that while not 'preferred' for modern developments, are necessary simply to keep existing sites running. I could even make a case for a 'legacy' build of PHP5.4 which will actually run existing sites out of the box, which ISP's could then adopt without the risk of breaking the vast majority of their customers sites. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk