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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:27:09 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Older style frameworks ...
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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2012.08.25. 11:16, "Lester Caine" <lester@lsces.co.uk> ezt =C3=ADrta:
>
> Many of my 'problems' with all of the 'progress' being made with PHP are
caused because I'm using a core framework who's origins go back to PHP4
days. Many of the facilities are currently unusable simply because they
have not had any of the PHP5.2/3/4 changes applied while all the stuff that
is still being used actively on live (paying) sites have been updated even
to be E_STRICT compliant.
>
> ADOdb has provided me with an ideal base for many years, and the data
processing systems have been fine tuned over many years with PDO actually
being more of a hindrance to performance than an improvement. The reason
for that being that the generic data structures developed for generic
drivers are at odds with the PDO 'style' and so extra conversions can be
needed so the generic drivers are used.
>
> I'm still on Smarty2 as the templating system as switching to Smarty3
will require another long conversion process, and we are up to speed with
what S2 can do - and it works.
>
> All of this is working on a base which allows a sites whole style to be
remodelled simply from the css theme and we can add modules easily (
reusing the core system code ). I can 'copy' an existing 'static' site and
enhance it with on-line editing and other interactive facilities in a few
hours while maintaining the same style that the owner is used to, and this
is what we are doing with many of the older sites we have taken over
support for.
>
> The main problem here is that the likes of the Zend framework and other
'controller based' systems seem to be way people want to see PHP develop,
so keeping 'older' style systems working is getting more and more difficult=
.
>
> The question ... how many other people are fighting the same up hill
struggle?
>
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So what do you propose?
There always will be people who don't want any new fearure or improvement
but their code workinf forever without any investment(refactoring) on their
part.
We shouldn't stop the development for that alone.
If I were them, I would pick an enterprise distro like rhel, where I can
get just that: same php version for many years with support.

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