Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:62338 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 71545 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2012 10:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Aug 2012 10:17:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 64.22.89.134 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.22.89.134 oxmail.registrar-servers.com Received: from [64.22.89.134] ([64.22.89.134:35564] helo=oxmail.registrar-servers.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FA/81-64184-F2063305 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:17:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.200] (5ad3285b.bb.sky.com [90.211.40.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oxmail.registrar-servers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC699F0029 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50336010.2010606@ajf.me> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 11:16:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: On the general standard of discussion... From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrew Faulds) Hello there, Recently we have seen many extremely long discussion threads here on internals. While discussion is good, much of these threads are filled with noise, pointless arguing that has little merit. NikiC calls them pseudo-arguments, I call it a pantomime: Someone will raise a point, someone will disagree, someone will agree with the first person, someone else will disagree, and so on. A point gets raised, a counter-point is made, and this is seemingly repeated ad nauseum. I am guilty of participating in this, that is true, but I'm stopping now and I hope you will too. If there's a point that needs raising, raise it. If you have a counter-point, make it. But please, let's avoid a "Oh yes it is!" "Oh no it isn't!" pantomime here, and bring up issues once, not 20 times. Further more, if all the points have been established, it might be worth just making an RFC and voting on it. Because no sane person could keep track of the Generators thread just now with its ridiculous length. Thank you. -- Andrew Faulds http://ajf.me/