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To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= <johannes@schlueters.de>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Bringing users along ...
From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson)


On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:01 AM, Johannes Schl=FCter wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 13:38 +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
>> The default if it's not included in the .ini is ON, but the
>> sample .ini's both switch it off, and that is what the distributions
>> follow when creating a clean install.
>>=20
>> ALL that was required when the problem was identified was that <?=3D =
was
>> handled in PHP5.3 the same way it IS now handled in PHP5.4 and the
>> problem would not exist. This is an example of not thinking through =
to
>> production a simple change in the core PHP ...
>=20
> The default are the compiled in values. The provided ini files are
> suggestions with comments for improving the configuration above the
> default. Those values aren't the default for exactly the reason you
> identified. If distributions "force" those values on you complain =
there.
>=20
> And no, we won't change the core language (<?=3D like in 5.4) in 5.3.
> There should only be bugfixes, no feature changes.
>=20
> If you want to help please test 5.5 snapshots before the release and
> identify possible issues there. As Rasmus and others said we try hard =
to
> make migration simple while allowing evolution to happen, sometimes we
> fail, that can only be fixed before a release, we can't change the =
past,
> yet.

One problem here is that we do not distribute a php.ini file with =
default=20
values. The "what is the default value?" topic is real and comes up =
often.=20
Is it time we get back to our roots and include a file like the old=20
php.ini-dist? And become friends with distributions to suggest real =
default=20
values to be used all across the world?

Today it feels dirty to mention "default values" in the PHP world as =
really
this concept does not exist.=20

Regards,
Philip