Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:61911 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51696 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2012 08:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Aug 2012 08:09:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.216.170 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.170 mail-qc0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.170] ([209.85.216.170:43593] helo=mail-qc0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E1/83-32875-F14E8105 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 04:09:04 -0400 Received: by qcmt36 with SMTP id t36so5052927qcm.29 for ; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=auXpUbxcizXuP8KLxpQsohRUUztxXHNaR/XuX2dk1jA=; b=anMaUdD6DuosHGVDJULbsr2yVsEAnqCEdWqW4RVD0D4S3abyuxDH0usdXpVN4pcdAw fOCDpCjBk4JwbyA05nMe9+Twd56iSDOk3KUCzk19UK1R0hlvw6RliHW8LAs/zuCl5yFQ KppCjtfKxnV3lHzMRocHSbAHIEqr7JB+p6iSURLj7mwECeIJ4Vn9n+jXw8khxLHQZp/m KSsMbZ7qr6z/npqsOKeF8LCLmAskYnUGMPVJfsjHUMR+dZNb80kQMTJhZPd4aYvnjf17 SHaETag7V8JMD93gUZHxUD0Wu9RVjcl/2zQDN7HPyHXil9iIK4JA+JMUIu4FXrMEIx/r scbQ== Received: by 10.224.217.7 with SMTP id hk7mr34782927qab.9.1343808540934; Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.200.148] (c-50-131-44-225.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [50.131.44.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eb10sm2166409qab.4.2012.08.01.01.08.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5018E419.7040504@lerdorf.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:08:57 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stas Malyshev CC: Lester Caine , PHP internals References: <50163FAD.4020004@lsces.co.uk> <5016A5A8.50506@lerdorf.com> <5018CA7E.5070802@lsces.co.uk> <5018CC83.4030002@sugarcrm.com> <5018D2D1.2040004@lsces.co.uk> <5018D80D.7020502@sugarcrm.com> <5018DDD4.7010608@lsces.co.uk> <5018E16C.8020703@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: <5018E16C.8020703@sugarcrm.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnQaqI+6x+S0M2zDWUuh8Cso575XX6OBLWkf1BMPFGk1k0LQpqau+PV3a7KP61N1qZD3SWk Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Bringing users along ... From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 08/01/2012 12:57 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Only with short tags on ... 5.4 has detached it from that, but 5.3 still >> switches it off by default, and convincing ISP to switch short tags on again is >> a lost cause :( Fixing it in PHP5.3 was rejected :( > > Errm... So you are complaining we're not going back in time now and make > different decision about PHP 5.3 that was made years ago? Or what is > your point exactly? Note also that we have been *extremely* conservative with the short_open_tag setting because we know it can break old code. To this day even in PHP 5.4 it is still on by default as it was in PHP 5.3. Since PHP 5.1.0 which was released in 2005 we have suggested that people disable it in their php.ini because of the obvious problems it causes with respect to other things that use the XML PI tag, but we have in no way forced their hands. If you simply upgraded PHP and didn't change your php.ini, nothing related to short_open_tags would have broken in the past 15 years. -Rasmus