Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:61772 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 29352 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2012 15:41:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jul 2012 15:41:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ajf@ajf.me; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ajf@ajf.me; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain ajf.me designates 64.22.89.133 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ajf@ajf.me X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.22.89.133 oxmail.registrar-servers.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [64.22.89.133] ([64.22.89.133:41963] helo=oxmail.registrar-servers.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0E/C8-19281-9A310105 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:41:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.200] (5ad32874.bb.sky.com [90.211.40.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oxmail.registrar-servers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 130AEC30004; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5010138D.5050804@ajf.me> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:41:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Aulbach CC: Ferenc Kovacs , Sherif Ramadan , internals@lists.php.net References:

<500EDCC7.1020402@ajf.me>

<500EE3B9.8010902@ajf.me> <500EEA76.1030407@ajf.me>

In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Generators in PHP From: ajf@ajf.me (Andrew Faulds) On 25/07/12 16:37, Alex Aulbach wrote: > 2012/7/25 Ferenc Kovacs : >>> more than 20 years >>> experience in that. Do you have that? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority > So what? U are using Wikipedia to invalidate me. :) Is it so > bad to hear an people with more experience? Do you have problems with > it with authority? :) > > So lets make it clear: I say - and I would bet on it - this feature > will cause problems, when implemented like this. Not because of > technical reasons, but because it isn't nicely embedded into PHP. > Normal PHP-programmers will have problems to understand it correctly. > And I'm sure that I'm right, because of my experience. And be warned: > In 90% when I begin to bet, I win. This is also from experience. > >> First you say that you are right, because you have more experience in the >> topic than the others, then you accuse the "PHP-internals" that they are >> favoring their opinion over the rest about the php language development. > Name conflict. I meant the PHP-programmers. I call me a PHP-developer, > because I develop programs in PHP. Not a good idea at this list. :) > > And yes, I think that there is a more ore less small gap between that, > what the "mass" of anonymous PHP-programmers really needs and that, > what is written in this internals list. > I with you introducing new features like this, but it must be done in > a way that is more self-explaining, has a low learning-curve. Yield > implemented like this dosn't match this criteria. > He linked to the Wikipedia "Appeal to authority" article because it's a common logical fallacy. Experience alone does not make you any more right than somebody else, and in the same way, someone without it is not "less right". Also, I have 16 years of experience at life, so obviously I'm an expert at it, right? I don't see how it means anything. -- Andrew Faulds http://ajf.me/