Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:61640 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33195 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2012 05:32:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jul 2012 05:32:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=swhitemanlistens-software@cypressintegrated.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=swhitemanlistens-software@cypressintegrated.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain cypressintegrated.com designates 69.28.242.152 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: swhitemanlistens-software@cypressintegrated.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 69.28.242.152 rproxy1-a.cypressintegrated.com Received: from [69.28.242.152] ([69.28.242.152:2697] helo=rproxy1-a.cypressintegrated.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 56/26-20357-5D1EC005 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 01:32:05 -0400 Received: from localhost ([192.168.87.152]) by rproxy1-a.cypressintegrated.com (Brand New Heavy v1.0) with ASMTP id HMD43703 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2012 01:32:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 01:31:24 -0400 Reply-To: Sanford Whiteman X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <510699033.20120723013124@cypressintegrated.com> To: Alex Aulbach In-Reply-To: References: <309558619.20120723000801@cypressintegrated.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Implicit isset in ternary operator From: swhitemanlistens-software@cypressintegrated.com (Sanford Whiteman) > Use functions. I understood your post; I was replying to Yahav. Anyway, I don't agree with you that (built-in) functions are all we can add because there'll be too much debate. Other languages still consider adding operators over time and/or allow overloading. Getting functions added to the language is far from easy anyway. And IMO there are waaaaaay too many places where something bound closely to the variable like $?a would be instantly useful and portable; adding functions for each of these would be impossible. -- S.