Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:61559 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31516 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2012 12:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Jul 2012 12:14:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.125 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.125 c2bthomr07.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.125] ([213.123.20.125:25350] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CD/F0-18983-8AB49005 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 08:14:33 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr07.btconnect.com with ESMTP id INF35112; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:14:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50094BA3.60802@lsces.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:14:27 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals References: <500917DF.5050604@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0302.50094BA4.0031, actions=TAG X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.7.20.111515:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __C230066_P2, __C230066_P1_2, BODY_ENDS_IN_URL, BODY_SIZE_1300_1399, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr07.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020B.50094BA5.017F:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Pseudo-objects (methods on arrays, strings, etc.) From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Andrew Faulds wrote: > Exactly. Much of my focus is making PHP more consistent and logical, and hence > easier to learn. It would be nice if PHP was as easy as Python, someday. (for > example) Python easy? I'm HAVING to fix python code as well these days, if it was any good I might be tempted to move everything to it, but I certainly don't feel the change would have any point. Eclipse IDE provides easy highlighting and allows working with the same tools for every language, but that still does not convince me. Ruby is the same, but I've managed to avoid having to deal with that. I don't remember PHP ever being 'difficult' ... I started straight in on PHP5 and had live sites just as it dropped off release candidates. I had to watch PHP4 compatibility for third party projects that still ran on 4 but on the whole my C/C++/Pascal experience just translated without any problem. I simply can't see what is 'complicated' but then I did do a masters degree in Digital Systems back in 1982 when computers came in rooms rather than pockets :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk