Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:61499 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2263 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2012 16:36:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 16:36:24 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.188 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.188 c2beaomr10.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.188] ([213.123.26.188:30329] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 01/A3-18983-58738005 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:36:22 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr10.btconnect.com with ESMTP id IGI83816; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:36:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50083782.7010403@lsces.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:36:18 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Firefox/13.0 SeaMonkey/2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals References: <50059AF8.5050805@sugarcrm.com> <5005CB58.2020601@sugarcrm.com> <50066724.6050901@sugarcrm.com> <50070538.10206@lerdorf.com> <50082C7E.4080400@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.50083782.005D, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.7.19.155416:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __FW_1LN_BOT_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODY_ENDS_IN_URL, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1600_1699, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr10.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020C.50083782.01C5:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Pseudo-objects (methods on arrays, strings, etc.) From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Pierre Joye wrote: >> should still work. All the string API methods need to be available on >> >every pseudo-object regardless of the type. So I don't see any "cleanup" >> >here either. > I do, and again this is purely a theoretical discussion right now. > However I find disturbing the resistance to such a proposal given that > what I hear from our users is a total support to introduce this > concept to PHP, even step by step. > > So we should better begin to see where are the technical bottlenecks > and figure out a way to solve them instead of arguing about whether we > should do it or not. Because we will have to do it, whether we like it > or not. So a few people want this therefore we all have to have it? We need to sort out a list of priorities and then perhaps see if there is a majority demand for each? Since somebody will obviously rewrite key libraries using this 'sexy' stuff, we are all then forced to have to work with it even if we can ignore it in our own code. ONE of these days I'd like to get back to putting some new functions in my own code base. I'm still working on a long list of 'strict' warnings across several projects and libraries :( Work that I don't make any money from but am having to do simply to keep things simple when the NEXT changes happen! -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk