Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:61308 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7100 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2012 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jul 2012 14:28:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=alex.aulbach@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=alex.aulbach@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: alex.aulbach@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pb0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.42] ([209.85.160.42:55808] helo=mail-pb0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8C/66-11081-60524005 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:28:22 -0400 Received: by pbbrp12 with SMTP id rp12so11161711pbb.29 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gyiI1itDe1UqoWqhO5E56UYaAB8/McB1EufwVHmsDxU=; b=xE1etveX/CB+f8cM5ACrL98YWYOklkUkqsjLavmClr8YnszIwlKCz1d41hvF+A1MU/ x+edAu/Z22ugZW3bjqhqFeBT7qQ7xeuHEjf8Vw0RWBkt4UCIs7y6u0lItintDCmM0uxQ kagA8YzwDn+petkOqFby0P5YLiy9VRSrLGwXTCDismRFnk+M7fXglhaFzoQstbKOfqld +YPs5s7lZ8LzvzkDF/v6m5qmftwMUC0DFc0TBAMpXPE3ISLRuZAaB9k4Q0AOo4zL1R5e GbUH0OnhqBtzvV5p2bgnER3B20xbGand0xyB9UVo7xY/AzFe9c3gZDP6kYB+K3QTFrUi ZArQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.226.38 with SMTP id rp6mr26909255pbc.90.1342448899697; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.31.7 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:28:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FFFF84D.9070202@rotorised.com> <5000990F.30105@gmail.com> <50033454.6080100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:28:19 +0200 Message-ID: To: Andrew Faulds Cc: Anthony Ferrara , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1ngel_Gonz=E1lez?= , internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [PROPOSED] password_hash RFC - Implementing simplified password hashing functions From: alex.aulbach@gmail.com (Alex Aulbach) 2012/7/16 Andrew Faulds : > We shouldn't neuter the language because some stupid people might do > stupid people. Use appropriate error handling, not inappropriate error > handling because it might catch someone out who has a poorly > configured server. I think it's not neutering, it's extending to a new level. Which is in the beginning always uncomfortable. :) And I think it depends on what architecture-features PHP should follow. E. g. simpleness or security (security means often simpleness) or ... or ...? -- Alex Aulbach