Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:60150 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 85903 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2012 05:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 05:34:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.170 mail-gx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.170] ([209.85.161.170:46323] helo=mail-gx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 13/73-21594-0525E8F4 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:34:09 -0400 Received: by ggmb2 with SMTP id b2so3945669ggm.29 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:34:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lP0WFlfCaab86VtxcuvGL5/uZ681sAZOIkFfTG6FKBY=; b=x/yyLJ9QNYS0U3T9dzcuL/72X0Ic/JvctrfWk8TG9akMzOiDo/MtB+tZO8hYPFHGdZ juMvP9515Bovp/SKTaad2BUtPhAxqcKywdEUBoLAkellbRFftf6U8pRgVZDCC3FAGyFp HHLf06iTS9B3IogpnLcjVcz38JV1TkSOhWXkaIZU4MWLDvQ3R7n5J04NQL15LL6UB7ot GZpT9m+ugpYswQVPRWk/BFknSAX4YnqB1+FvyE0X2LqYNzNyz5MWtgqnEp2oeB3QtG+m r4fPnJphzJ36VY1M0XszVrsbSyXtRaCbdX17MLJC9253TK9+l06ZyVgOsgxb5P1E5eRM wjQA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.9.36 with SMTP id 24mr824213yhs.19.1334727246479; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.147.32.16 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 22:34:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F8DF39A.8080409@sugarcrm.com> References: <4F8C7FAC.6060709@sugarcrm.com> <4F8CABF8.9040301@sugarcrm.com> <4F8CB228.2070609@sugarcrm.com> <4F8CB928.9040400@sugarcrm.com> <4F8DE51E.3090202@sugarcrm.com> <4F8DF39A.8080409@sugarcrm.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:34:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev Cc: Ferenc Kovacs , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] voting without vcs accounts From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) hi Stas, On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > I have a problem that we don't have understanding of what is the goal of > this whole vote setup. What is it for? What we will be doing with it? > And please don't say "it says so in RFC" - it is not a goal. Let me clarify that and try to do not go backwards while we have finally moved forward. The goal is to have community leader participating in our design discussions and decisions. It has happened already for a couple of RFCs (accepted and rejected) and went very well. The FUDs about core devs, legacy developers and the like loosing control about the direction PHP takes has been killed, it did not happen and it is very unlikely that it will happen. How do the community leaders come in? They are usually very well known and already participate to php in one way or another (bugs report, testing, etc.) and are part of a known OSS project (we have drupal, zf, symfony already for example). Having a couple of devs to second their addition is also requested. This has been said many times already in the past and it is said in the RFC as well. We do not need over killed process as an attempt to make php more closed to our communities. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org