Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:60053 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25481 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2012 04:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Apr 2012 04:01:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=adam@adamharvey.name; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=adam@adamharvey.name; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain adamharvey.name designates 209.85.210.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: adam@adamharvey.name X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.170 mail-iy0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.170] ([209.85.210.170:64316] helo=mail-iy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3E/0D-05733-A2BEC8F4 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:01:47 -0400 Received: by iaeh11 with SMTP id h11so9859366iae.29 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:01:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=adamharvey.name; s=google; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IRnjSPv/jT+bj2+tnpyP2XPAFYxqp9+9MEGFxbu5epo=; b=XRMOI3sY7r4vhyXeKRxv7o/q9iVmk6xBE5m93Bc35c02ShqI4hBdOgV631r7MNM4Kj DnbxnE8uGfgWU1OdR49CkhN922U0Y0PQuAvWunsYmCbgghpMo9Sy1Y+j7THPgXlvqF2u jBs8rOLGMZwCBgk+7RsEHEcOsmKBzAQ0m33hs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=IRnjSPv/jT+bj2+tnpyP2XPAFYxqp9+9MEGFxbu5epo=; b=T2Mxgiaydm4STTi/hoz6FjnJ4/Ai6ovt3KV6RjHOkq3WyPj5Ch8yyVlE97rASA4JlA 2Qlx1ZVKVDZwUYqwIjLNIOEQ9U8bvi5BzDg03iVkl4S8GXSuxGLUX1O056xz6iWOpWDo Y1RO+ByA4Jy8In7QjUgSJ8W6nyskc9lJrSS4M+PhBeLrJ7nSzqqabXhag4U/fit9vGtQ 7gJRRwC+2ORqK7ZF/tBwg9dESmBtnsLuS1eLSAfk4inUa52pHLXjxRC1A7q22dlpSKTg TgzfvwS70YFUuhdQUlF2LLTpnIJN/4T4cUlWyLTS9L6sj4xuDX3qlcSFo7DlFYIbenrh 3PlQ== Received: by 10.50.41.201 with SMTP id h9mr7992705igl.19.1334635303782; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:01:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: adam@adamharvey.name Received: by 10.42.243.73 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:01:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7014097.1334634138100.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7014097.1334634138100.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:01:23 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: o9BvxGUIt9_ze_KlUOUjVcz-pq4 Message-ID: To: slevy1@pipeline.com Cc: Stas Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnYHoMPSZMz/iHKD9fi9QuDYY6Uq4UGLnBJTJhVkCGieXPBsex8AEF7wFQFGM4b9JlsxaWg Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re voting From: aharvey@php.net (Adam Harvey) On 17 April 2012 11:42, wrote: > Just b/c there are rarely any women at all that participate on this list,= could we at list maintain a facade of gender neutrality? =C2=A0I seriously= can't believe that you used the word "him". =C2=A0What about "her"? =C2=A0= Yeah, "her" as in myself and every other woman who codes with PHP whether t= o earn her living or to have a pleasant past-time? =C2=A0I am sure that the= re are plenty of PHP women just like me who =C2=A0might really appreciate h= aving the opportunity to vote on changes that might effect the way we work. While I am fully in support of PHP being inclusive towards men, women, the transgendered community, and anyone else who is not covered by the aforementioned categories, with respect, I don't believe Stas merited the sarcastic flame he has received from you. Singular "he" as a gender-neutral pronoun was taught as standard English for a long time, and whilst it may not be the most politically correct phrasing in the modern era, I doubt any offence or non-inclusion was intended. Furthermore, many of the participants on this list are not native English speakers, and the nuances and politics of gender representation in a largely non-gendered language like English are likely to be lost on them. Hanlon's Razor would seem to apply. > Currently, it's as clear as mud to me as to what I need to do to be able = to have some kind of voting impact. =C2=A0The protocol or process needs to = be clearly articulated in very clear language so that all concerned PHP men= and women can be informed. On that point, I doubt anyone disagrees. Thanks, Adam