Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:60052 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 22832 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2012 03:51:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Apr 2012 03:51:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=theanomaly.is@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=theanomaly.is@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: theanomaly.is@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.42 mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.42] ([209.85.215.42:57183] helo=mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0D/BC-05733-CC8EC8F4 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:51:40 -0400 Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so4580272lah.29 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EUbnFKWMYxyUHCWNibVw1KjJ2yZJUCzwQpiWrhBpoLo=; b=BeQ5bF/aqsre5Z2+WUGc8trEhwpCopQ2WoJTLt7SU/eL9DsJRdRio6jThT86xh+XFY NFy6IrqyPCbPDV6pY8omglzVwn0f4BD5RYXVBvoVlAML2ySChrm5j23bHI+r7lOA+SWD 23UXjUBRCavMFCWsB+aIHCN/HeVc9MpYxnf/Dfsr4nwBVS3ReTYhhv10wfENQBKury/h xmR3lfDonl76izS9Fx4OUFURmy99CA6ZEfAjb5tWVMrbH/OObgGchOWFlm3LkAHP/FNb VhNB2pMJsS0dzRBcrAEp80Oax0t9EzrsKMVD0hIb5Bx+hUcppyj5F8O49KEAXSR/0d3L eH8w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.38.201 with SMTP id i9mr6112329lbk.88.1334634697370; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.100.227 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7014097.1334634138100.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7014097.1334634138100.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: To: slevy1@pipeline.com Cc: Stas Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re voting From: theanomaly.is@gmail.com (Sherif Ramadan) > Just b/c there are rarely any women at all that participate on this list,= could we at list maintain a facade of gender neutrality? =A0I seriously ca= n't believe that you used the word "him". =A0What about "her"? =A0Yeah, "he= r" as in myself and every other woman who codes with PHP whether to earn he= r living or to have a pleasant past-time? =A0I am sure that there are plent= y of PHP women just like me who =A0might really appreciate having the oppor= tunity to vote on changes that might effect the way we work. > > Currently, it's as clear as mud to me as to what I need to do to be able = to have some kind of voting impact. =A0The protocol or process needs to be = clearly articulated in very clear language so that all concerned PHP men an= d women can be informed. > > Sharon Lee Levy, ZCE I believe you might have been trying to reply to the "voting without vcs accounts" thread, possibly? I do agree that the current state of affairs with regard to voting on RFCs and the requirements/expectations for one to be promoted into the voting process are about as clear the night sky. There should be more transparency in understanding the requirements and setting forth the expectations for the process in a formal and sane manner. I also think that process should be fair irrespective of gender, race, etc... The process should be subject to one's own demonstrated active (and hopefully positive) role in the PHP community. I think if someone shows initiative to consistently produce positive results they should be accepted into the voting process based on their own merits.