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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 03:55:08 +0300
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To: Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Disabling PHP tags by php.ini and CLI options
From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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I should point out that if you make you mind about a feature - you will
twist and turn it like hell, but you can't be convinced that it may make
more damage than good, or is just plain pointless because out there in the
wild the world actually is wild. And peoe do things differently for a
reason.

I'm not trying to offend you or shame you, but you just ignore half valid
arguments. I personaly get a feeling that you don't do PHP development on a
regular basis, because for me, as a userland php developer, some things you
write are ridicilous and i would expect them from a beginer, a person
coming from a different language, but sure not from a serious seasoned PHP
developer.
This hassle with the php tags, special extensions, optional php.ini options
will make my life harder. Why? Because two hosters will be able to
configure their envoirments differently. Who suffers? I suffer the
conciquences of that by working at 3am saturday morning and probably
getting into a fight with my wife about that. And getting fired if i refuse
to fix issues.

I understand the concerns about the LFI or how it is called, but as many
people mentioned, its how the code is written. And if code is.written badly
- you can't do anything about it on the language level without restricting
writing the code in the first place.

Those people that went for th include modification with the second optional
param are on the right track - you give the people the ability and they
will use it (i will).

If someone could take all the energy wasted here and put to work on
drasticly improving PDO - that would be a real benifit to every one. Cause
right now pdo just sucks, a lot.
13.04.2012 2:07 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=
=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C "Kris Craig" <kris.craig@gmail.com> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=
=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:

>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com=
>wrote:
>
>> You all know where the short_tags, register_globals, magic_quotes and
>> other
>> stuff like that took the language and the problems it made.
>> Doesn`t history teach us a lesson? I see that it did not for some active
>> members of this list.
>> Many are still cleaning up the mess of thouse optional php.ini directive=
s,
>> Ibhad to clean up myself one project, took me 2 months to properly fix i=
t
>> and make to run on PHP 5, anyway we ended up rewriting the whole thing
>> from
>> scratch, a year of day to day work.
>> Now i write my stuff E_ALL, including strict stuff and I know for a fact
>> that there is no php.ini switch that could screw up my applications on
>> different hosting platforms (yes, some minor things can happen in specif=
ic
>> situations, but any properly configured PHP 5.3/5.4 will run smooth). An=
d
>> now you purpose to add a switch that in one line can disable the
>> application for good (and get it's sources spit out all over the place).
>> And even if i write it in the right way - i have to convert every damn
>> external library. Ok, i upload it to the host and guess what - it spews
>> the
>> code out because it is configured for the <?php tag!
>>
>> It will never get adopted, too many legacy stuff, to many external tools=
.
>> And php native templates? I dont neet any twig, smarty or any other stuf=
f.
>> And guess what - most template engines cache compiled templates, and the=
y
>> are - ta-daa - PHP EMBEDDED IN HTML CODE!
>>
>> Common sence is allien to some people on this list or what?
>>
>
> As is civility and basic mutual respect, it would seem.
>

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