Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:59669 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59167 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2012 18:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Apr 2012 18:50:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.128 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.128 c2bthomr10.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.128] ([213.123.20.128:29445] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 03/F3-38506-8D0848F4 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:50:02 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr10.btconnect.com with ESMTP id HBT51471; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:49:58 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4F8480D5.9040209@lsces.co.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:49:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120215 Firefox/10.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <4F8461F0.2090709@sugarcrm.com> <4F847817.3050209@b1-systems.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0302.4F8480D5.00A4, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.4.5.53315:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, URI_ENDS_IN_PHP, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1200_1299, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr10.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0202.4F8480D6.00B4:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [off] PHP: a fractal of bad design From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Kris Craig wrote: > PERL is like the duct-tape > of scripting languages; it can be used for just about anything, though > there's almost always a more specialized solution. It serves a purpose. Perhaps not the most ideal of comparisons ... The last thing you use 'duct-tape' for is sealing ducts ... you need to use the right tape for THAT job :) My own problem is convincing customers that the systems they have been using reliably for 10 years NEED to change. PHP does a good job for all of my customers and they see no reason to have to change things. What they have been doing for years has not changed in years so why change. Once on is used to the warts, 'fixing them' is an even more annoyance, so please can we stop complaining about things that are broken ... and leave those of us who are more than happy with what we have to just carry on 'doing things all wrong' :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php