Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:59656 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 28714 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2012 16:38:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Apr 2012 16:38:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 67.192.241.133 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.192.241.133 smtp133.dfw.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [67.192.241.133] ([67.192.241.133:49031] helo=smtp133.dfw.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 41/03-14507-4F1648F4 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:38:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp23.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2DA0B2F85DF; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:38:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp23.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 041732F864A; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4F8461F0.2090709@sugarcrm.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:38:08 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adir Kuhn CC: PHP Internals References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [off] PHP: a fractal of bad design From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > today I read this post, I think that some points are valid, follow the link for > you guys > Could you name a few and explain why you think they are valid and what you propose to do to fix them? This article is huge and if you want to start a discussion that makes sense (as opposed to a rant which is, I am sure, very therapeutic for the author of the post but I'm not sure why should we care) I think the approach of "read the whole thing and guess what I meant by 'some points'" is not the best one. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227