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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
From: maciek.sokolewicz@gmail.com (Maciek Sokolewicz)

On 07-04-2012 03:10, John Crenshaw wrote:

> Seriously, if you're so angry that you can't even type straight you should take a break before responding. Any argument delivered like this won't be well received anyway. Take a break, find your place of zen, respond when you can be civil.
>
>>> Do you have no idea how to maintain a level of professionalism when
>>> interacting with the opinions and ideas of other developers?
>>
>> i have ideas how to do so
>>
>> but i learned over many years that people do not understand that they have
>> really bad ideas if you say freindly "not a godd idea"
>
> Wow. I'm honestly shocked. That's the crux of it isn't it? Trouble is that this sort of response violates the rules of the mailing list; rules that we all agreed to. It also isn't going to go over well with the type of people you have here. This is not a productive communication tactic, this is bullying. If you are unwilling to be civil and rational I have to ask, why are you even here?
>
> John Crenshaw
> Priacta, Inc.

John, I completely agree with you. I would like to urge Reindl to 
please, PLEASE, reconsider your response, at least once, preferably even 
more often, before posting it. In this thread alone, you have personally 
attacked Tom Boutell for no good reason. Your responses were generally 
very very rude, and may easily (and in my opinion rightfuly so) be 
considered personal attacks.

Again, I urge you to reconsider posting such messages. The rules of 
conduct on these mailinglists include section on exactly this. They are 
there to remind us all to be civil. We do not attack eachother in the 
way you do. Instead, you may politely state your view, but do not yell, 
scream, or try to force your views on others.

I would suggest you reread what you have posted, and try to imagine what 
it would look like from other reader's points of view. Personally I felt 
very unpleasant reading your responses. I was hoping it would be a 
one-time-only post, born from anger on a bad day, and that it would be 
followed by an apology. Unfortunately, you continued posting this way.

I am sorry I had to write this. But I feel we should all stand up for 
eachother.

> To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill <?php
> entirely, or more realistically, to support an alternate file
> extension that doesn't need it. That would be an interesting option
> for those who want to put "dribs and drabs of PHP sprinkled in HTML"
> completely behind them.

Tom: I agree with your point. I think it would be nice to be able to 
create PHP codefiles which do not require the <?php start. But IMO it 
would just be a nice-to-have thing, and not really that important, since 
I'm not that bothered by using <?php at the start of every file.

Just my $0.02,
- Tul