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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
From: charlie@charliesomerville.com (Charlie Somerville)

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April fools was 6 days ago ;) =20


On Saturday, 7 April 2012 at 2:53 PM, S=C3=A9batien Durand wrote:

> I personally like mixing PHP/HTML. It's not bad. It allows us to work w=
ith
> simplicity. =46or example : http://tinyurl.com/cyrlchw
> =20
> Tom Boutell wrote:
> =20
> > To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill <=3Fphp
> > entirely, or more realistically, to support an alternate file
> > extension that doesn't need it. That would be an interesting option
> > for those who want to put =22dribs and drabs of PHP sprinkled in HTML=
=22
> > completely behind them.
> > =20
> > On =46ri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Tom Boutell <tom=40punkave.com (mai=
lto:tom=40punkave.com)> wrote:
> > > I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating
> > > language anymore, given excellent templating language implementatio=
ns
> > > in PHP, like Twig=3F
> > > =20
> > > On =46ri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw <johncrenshaw=40pri=
acta.com (mailto:johncrenshaw=40priacta.com)>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > =46rom: S=C3=A9batien Durand =5Bmailto:sunseb=40live.com=5D
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:55 PM
> > > > > To: internals=40lists.php.net (mailto:internals=40lists.php.net=
)
> > > > > Subject: =5BPHP-DEV=5D PHP as a template language
> > > > > =20
> > > > > IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it s=
o simple
> > > > > and powerful, compared to other web languages.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > So far, we have =22<=3Fphp=22, =22<=3F=3D=22 and various legacy=
 syntaxes like =22<=3F=22.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a=
 more
> > > > > elegant and a shorter implementation.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =46or example : =22<%=22 and =22<%=3D=22 or =22=7B%=22 and =22=7B=
=7B=22 =3F
> > > > > =20
> > > > > What do you think, guys =3F
> > > > =20
> > > > Honestly this is the wrong question. PHP as a template language h=
as much
> > > > larger problems than this. The difference between <=3Fphp echo an=
d <=3F=3D is
> > > > 7 characters and entirely cosmetic. The difference relative to <=3F=
php
> > > > echo htmlentities(..., ENT=5FQUOTES =7C ENT=5FHTML5, 'UT=46-8'); =
=3F> however is
> > > > 56 characters, security, and encoding bugs.
> > > > =20
> > > > Proper handling of output escaping is standard in modern template=

> > > > languages. The question shouldn't be =22should we add a cooler sh=
ort
> > > > tag=3F=22. The question should be =22What needs to be done to mak=
e PHP an
> > > > industry leader in template languages again=3F=22.
> > > > =20
> > > > My two cents,
> > > > =20
> > > > John Crenshaw
> > > > Priacta, Inc.
> > > > =20
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> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > --
> > > Tom Boutell
> > > P'unk Avenue
> > > 215 755 1330
> > > punkave.com (http://punkave.com)
> > > window.punkave.com (http://window.punkave.com)
> > > =20
> > =20
> > =20
> =20
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