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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
From: h.reindl@thelounge.net (Reindl Harald)

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what exactly is your problem?
having solution searching problem?

what are people like you try to achieve?
what would make you happy in breaking BC?
what would you make happy generate lot of work for others?
what would be better for anybody?

change for the sake of the change is blindly stupid

Am 06.04.2012 23:20, schrieb Tom Boutell:
> To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill <?php
> entirely, or more realistically, to support an alternate file
> extension that doesn't need it. That would be an interesting option
> for those who want to put "dribs and drabs of PHP sprinkled in HTML"
> completely behind them.
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> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Tom Boutell <tom@punkave.com> wrote:
>> I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating
>> language anymore, given excellent templating language implementations
>> in PHP, like Twig?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw <johncrenshaw@priacta.co=
m> wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: S=E9batien Durand [mailto:sunseb@live.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:55 PM
>>>> To: internals@lists.php.net
>>>> Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so sim=
ple and powerful, compared to other web languages.
>>>>
>>>> So far, we have "<?php", "<?=3D" and various legacy syntaxes like "<=
?".
>>>>
>>>> A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a more=
 elegant and a shorter implementation.
>>>>
>>>> For example : "<%" and "<%=3D" or "{%" and "{{" ?
>>>>
>>>> What do you think, guys ?
>>>
>>> Honestly this is the wrong question. PHP as a template language has m=
uch larger problems than this. The difference between <?php echo and <?=3D=
 is 7 characters and entirely cosmetic. The difference relative to <?php =
echo htmlentities(..., ENT_QUOTES | ENT_HTML5, 'UTF-8'); ?> however is 56=
 characters, security, and encoding bugs.
>>>
>>> Proper handling of output escaping is standard in modern template lan=
guages. The question shouldn't be "should we add a cooler short tag?". Th=
e question should be "What needs to be done to make PHP an industry leade=
r in template languages again?".
>>>
>>> My two cents,
>>>
>>> John Crenshaw
>>> Priacta, Inc.
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> Tom Boutell
>> P'unk Avenue
>> 215 755 1330
>> punkave.com
>> window.punkave.com
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