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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:20:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
From: tom@punkave.com (Tom Boutell)

To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill <?php
entirely, or more realistically, to support an alternate file
extension that doesn't need it. That would be an interesting option
for those who want to put "dribs and drabs of PHP sprinkled in HTML"
completely behind them.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Tom Boutell <tom@punkave.com> wrote:
> I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating
> language anymore, given excellent templating language implementations
> in PHP, like Twig?
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw <johncrenshaw@priacta.com> =
wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: S=E9batien Durand [mailto:sunseb@live.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:55 PM
>>> To: internals@lists.php.net
>>> Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
>>>
>>> IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple=
 and powerful, compared to other web languages.
>>>
>>> So far, we have "<?php", "<?=3D" and various legacy syntaxes like "<?".
>>>
>>> A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a more el=
egant and a shorter implementation.
>>>
>>> For example : "<%" and "<%=3D" or "{%" and "{{" ?
>>>
>>> What do you think, guys ?
>>
>> Honestly this is the wrong question. PHP as a template language has much=
 larger problems than this. The difference between <?php echo and <?=3D is =
7 characters and entirely cosmetic. The difference relative to <?php echo h=
tmlentities(..., ENT_QUOTES | ENT_HTML5, 'UTF-8'); ?> however is 56 charact=
ers, security, and encoding bugs.
>>
>> Proper handling of output escaping is standard in modern template langua=
ges. The question shouldn't be "should we add a cooler short tag?". The que=
stion should be "What needs to be done to make PHP an industry leader in te=
mplate languages again?".
>>
>> My two cents,
>>
>> John Crenshaw
>> Priacta, Inc.
>>
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