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Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
From: johncrenshaw@priacta.com (John Crenshaw)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: S=E9batien Durand [mailto:sunseb@live.com]=20
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:55 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language
>
> IMHO, PHP is a great template language. This is what makes it so simple a=
nd powerful, compared to other web languages.
>
> So far, we have "<?php", "<?=3D" and various legacy syntaxes like "<?".
>
> A suggestion : deprecate these old tags and replace them with a more eleg=
ant and a shorter implementation.
>
> For example : "<%" and "<%=3D" or "{%" and "{{" ?
>
> What do you think, guys ?

Honestly this is the wrong question. PHP as a template language has much la=
rger problems than this. The difference between <?php echo and <?=3D is 7 c=
haracters and entirely cosmetic. The difference relative to <?php echo html=
entities(..., ENT_QUOTES | ENT_HTML5, 'UTF-8'); ?> however is 56 characters=
, security, and encoding bugs.

Proper handling of output escaping is standard in modern template languages=
. The question shouldn't be "should we add a cooler short tag?". The questi=
on should be "What needs to be done to make PHP an industry leader in templ=
ate languages again?".

My two cents,

John Crenshaw
Priacta, Inc.