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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Change all XFAIL tests to FAIL
From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)

On 03/31/2012 01:21 AM, Alexey Shein wrote:
> 31 марта 2012 г. 12:50 пользователь Stas Malyshev
> <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> написал:
>> Hi!
>>
>>> 2) Keep devs' attention on known failures - XFAIL doesn't solve that.
>>> You remember about them when you run tests and if you want make
>>> attention at them.
>>
>> Which devs you are referring to? Why you assume their attention needs help?
> 
> Every developer on this list including core and non-core. There are a
> lot of people reading this list, that's clearly seen by lengthy
> feature discussions. If you're well-aware of current PHP problems (I
> assume you're the best person to ask about, since you're RM), others
> may even don't have a glue about that. By constantly publishing
> newsletter with failed / xfail bugs you're telling them "That's our
> current problems. Maybe you could help us with them". This way we
> could convert that discussing energy into some good patches.

Every developer on this list builds PHP at least daily and also runs
"make test" at least every few days so they are well aware of the status
of the tests. I think you will find that there aren't as many developers
here as you think and only the developers are actually going to fix stuff.

An alert on a brand new test failure along with the commit that caused
it, that would be useful and that is what the Jenkins work will
eventually bring us. A list of the same xfails that all of us are
painfully aware of isn't useful.

-Rasmus