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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 13:21:12 +0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Change all XFAIL tests to FAIL
From: confik@gmail.com (Alexey Shein)

31 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2012=C2=A0=D0=B3. 12:50 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=
=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C Stas Malyshev
<smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BB:
> Hi!
>
>> 2) Keep devs' attention on known failures - XFAIL doesn't solve that.
>> You remember about them when you run tests and if you want make
>> attention at them.
>
> Which devs you are referring to? Why you assume their attention needs hel=
p?

Every developer on this list including core and non-core. There are a
lot of people reading this list, that's clearly seen by lengthy
feature discussions. If you're well-aware of current PHP problems (I
assume you're the best person to ask about, since you're RM), others
may even don't have a glue about that. By constantly publishing
newsletter with failed / xfail bugs you're telling them "That's our
current problems. Maybe you could help us with them". This way we
could convert that discussing energy into some good patches.

>> What I propose is a single *daily* newsletter saying "Hey, guys! We
>> still have XFAIL bugs on 5.3 <list bugs>, 5.4 <list bugs> and master
>> <list bugs>. Bye!" That will make some pressure, especially if those
>> bugs have maintainers.
>
> I would not subscribe to this and would not read this. Would you? Why?

I don't mean a separate mailing list, but a letter to this list,
internals. If i'm already here, I'd read it. If you think that daily
is too much - let's make it weekly, but it should come every week, not
just once or twice. If it annoys you too much or you think it's
useless for you - you always can tune your spam filter. I'd read it,
since I like writing/fixing tests in my spare time, maybe that letter
would contain some tests I can easily fix (since I'm not good
C-developer I work primarily on tests), or my investigation on problem
will help somebody to make a patch.

> We know we have technical debt. It's not a secret. What we need is not
> more harassment but more people fixing that debt. Spamming whole list
> with messages that nobody would read is not the solution.

You can't interest more people if they are not aware of your problems.
That's why personal reminders won't work good here - if only bug
maintainer will be notified, nobody else will recall that bug.

--=20
Regards,
Shein Alexey