Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:59251
Return-Path: <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm
Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net
Received: (qmail 29411 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2012 07:50:26 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1)
  by localhost with SMTP; 31 Mar 2012 07:50:26 -0000
Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass
Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass
Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 67.192.241.153 as permitted sender)
X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com
X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.192.241.153 smtp153.dfw.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6
Received: from [67.192.241.153] ([67.192.241.153:38511] helo=smtp153.dfw.emailsrvr.com)
	by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP
	id FF/00-28591-F37B67F4 for <internals@lists.php.net>; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:50:23 -0500
Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
	by smtp5.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DEB7B5927B;
	Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: OK
Received: by smtp5.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 15FBF58FDF;
	Sat, 31 Mar 2012 03:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <4F76B73B.2060005@sugarcrm.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:50:19 -0700
Organization: SugarCRM
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Alexey Shein <confik@gmail.com>
CC: "internals@lists.php.net" <internals@lists.php.net>
References: <CAAAa2sh3AbFcWa42aGgBh4DnzOnShKjY=P=2y2k6VCK6ZzqVhg@mail.gmail.com> <4F75EA77.3010300@oracle.com> <CAAAa2siwqqG6LtUToiCubGykAqn8SdVLB+TNT1bgR3iACq-gaA@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAAAa2siwqqG6LtUToiCubGykAqn8SdVLB+TNT1bgR3iACq-gaA@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Change all XFAIL tests to FAIL
From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev)

Hi!

> 2) Keep devs' attention on known failures - XFAIL doesn't solve that.
> You remember about them when you run tests and if you want make
> attention at them.

Which devs you are referring to? Why you assume their attention needs help?

> What I propose is a single *daily* newsletter saying "Hey, guys! We
> still have XFAIL bugs on 5.3 <list bugs>, 5.4 <list bugs> and master
> <list bugs>. Bye!" That will make some pressure, especially if those
> bugs have maintainers.

I would not subscribe to this and would not read this. Would you? Why?

We know we have technical debt. It's not a secret. What we need is not
more harassment but more people fixing that debt. Spamming whole list
with messages that nobody would read is not the solution.
-- 
Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/
(408)454-6900 ext. 227