Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:59217 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 23577 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2012 06:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Mar 2012 06:03:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=dirk@haun-online.de; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=dirk@haun-online.de; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain haun-online.de designates 80.67.29.24 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: dirk@haun-online.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 80.67.29.24 smtprelay02.ispgateway.de Linux 2.6 Received: from [80.67.29.24] ([80.67.29.24:34397] helo=smtprelay02.ispgateway.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 03/70-17229-69C457F4 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:03:03 -0500 Received: from [79.222.12.22] (helo=[192.168.2.100]) by smtprelay02.ispgateway.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1SDUvL-000531-3f for internals@lists.php.net; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:02:59 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) In-Reply-To: <4F75048E.7050102@sugarcrm.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:02:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <4F74DFF6.7010507@sugarcrm.com> <4F75048E.7050102@sugarcrm.com> To: PHP Internals X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Df-Sender: d2VibWFzdGVyQGhhdW4tb25saW5lLmRl Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Change all XFAIL tests to FAIL From: dirk@haun-online.de (Dirk Haun) Stas Malyshev wrote: > And if we had rule of "no failing tests", we'd have no > releases for years now, because nobody is fixing those tests and bugs > behind them. I was about to suggest that maybe PHP should have a rule: "no release = with failing tests". What's the point of a test that fails (or XFAILs)? Either something is = broken - then it should be fixed. Or the test makes no sense - then it = should be removed. Yes, I realize this is a simplistic view and things are more complicated = in practice. But since, as stated, PHP is paying more attention to tests = now (which is a good thing!), maybe it's time to take this one step = further. bye, Dirk