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Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:04:32 +0100
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To: Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Github Pull Request
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > > Yeah I know.  That doesn't mean I have to like it though lol.  ;P
> >
> > You may like it or not like it, but it's established terminology so
> > we're going to use it. Let's not add noise to our lists.
> > --
> > Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
> > SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/
> > (408)454-6900 ext. 227
> >
>
> If we don't critically re-examine "established" ideas now and then, who
> will?


please go with that problem to github, we didn't coined that term, so we
can't really fix it for you.


>  You can disagree with me, but please don't belittle other people's
> concerns by dismissing them as "noise."


it is noise on this mailing list, as this isn't the place to fix that term,
even if you are right.


>  I raised a legitimate concern that
> was not "unworthy" of discussion.  Just because I hold a minority viewpoi=
nt
> doesn't make it any less valid and I stand by my posts.  Ironically, your
> dismissive comment after the fact only increased the "noise" factor by at
> least two more posts.
>

the thing is that it wasn't your first or second post which regulars would
count as noise, so this time somebody mentioned that you shouldn't do that.


>
> I believe that the majority, including Github, is wrong on this.


yeah, but how can you fix that with lecturing people here?


>  That term
> is needlessly confusing in my opinion.  I made that point and it didn't
> gain any traction, so like I said I'll just have to suck it up and move
> on.  But if you're going to jump in with a, "We're gonna do it this way s=
o
> shut up," then all that's going to do is create animosity and drag this o=
ut
> since obviously I"m not about to let such a comment go unchallenged.  ;P
>

sigh.


>
> If you want to keep beating this dead horse, I'm game.  Otherwise, all th=
e
> arguments have already been made so just let it go.  I voiced my concern
> and the majority doesn't share it, so that's that.  Time to move on.
>

\o/

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