Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:58630 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98384 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2012 23:19:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Mar 2012 23:19:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.132 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.132 c2bthomr14.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.132] ([213.123.20.132:47608] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D5/73-16054-00A455F4 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:19:29 -0500 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.5_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr14.btconnect.com with ESMTP id GNR04431; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 23:19:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F5549FD.4050404@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 23:19:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120215 Firefox/10.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <4F54C488.6050209@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0302.4F5549FD.0092, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2012.3.5.223318:17:7.944, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODY_SIZE_1500_1599, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr14.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0201.4F5549FE.0070:SCFSTAT14830815,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2011-07-25 19:15:43, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] ' Personally, I HATE short_open_tab. It has no value--*except* that, > unfortunately, it's still widely used in many apps and even some frameworks > TTBOMK. So, as worthless as it is, removing it completely would render > these apps inoperable. Leaving it turned-off by default is a given I > think, as at very least people should be discouraged from using them. I > also wouldn't be opposed to the idea of deprecating them, which would allow > these apps time to fix their code accordingly. While I think that we SHOULD just have stuck up for '