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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 11:10:41 +0000
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar type hinting
From: kiall@managedit.ie (Kiall Mac Innes)

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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote:

> Both provide something that a large number of people did not or do not
> want anything to do with.
>

I disagree - The majority of PHP developers I've discussed this with are
in favor of adding *something *like this. Do a majority want this? I have
no idea and, I honestly don't believe you do either.


> Namespace was forced on us in much the same way you are currently trying
> to force this on us.
>

Forced? Nobody is forcing anything. Discussions are happening, and possibly
a vote in the future. This is the farthest thing from being forced IMO.


> Many people who were pursuaded that namespace was a good idea are now
> realising that it wasn't and was the thin end of wedge which this
> discussion is once again trying to force open.
>

Many of the popular frameworks have made the changes, or are planning to
make the changes, needed to take advantage of namespaces. This, to me,
suggests a general acceptable of namespaces.

Also - I'm yet to hear a single complaint about namespaces
- although again, I've not talked to every PHP developer!

(Well.. No complaints other than the namespace separator being a '\' that
is)


> I have no objections to 'object orientated' as that is how I have always
> used PHP, but the BULK of the data I am handling is simply strings which
> 'magically' get converted to the format I need. I don't see any use for
> 'type hinting' in any form since I NEED to check if a string I get in has
> the right data in before I store it in a database field. I don't need to
> throw some random error which needs handling ... I just handle the errors
> in line as I process the data. My framework helps to ensure what I get in
> is right in the first place anyway, so even the in-line checks are probably
> redundant nowadays!
>

I can certainly agree with you here - have I ever absolutely NEEDED this?
Nope. Would it get it the way of writing code in certain situations? Yup.

But - Does that mean it's not generally useful? Nope!

Kiall

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