Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:58360 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4919 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2012 22:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Feb 2012 22:29:07 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kris.craig@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kris.craig@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.212.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kris.craig@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.212.170 mail-wi0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.212.170] ([209.85.212.170:42788] helo=mail-wi0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4B/0C-46815-2B6AE4F4 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:29:07 -0500 Received: by wibhj13 with SMTP id hj13so1097557wib.29 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of kris.craig@gmail.com designates 10.180.99.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.99.7; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kris.craig@gmail.com designates 10.180.99.7 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kris.craig@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=kris.craig@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.99.7]) by 10.180.99.7 with SMTP id em7mr4811276wib.7.1330554544059 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:29:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cb4J0iktg+hVCFCMHyM949anyy97s6w14OSSiy1PjhM=; b=Iee0NFA4z4vWhAtM/I9rhlstQHm2JEdHdSVO9JG0266Ln8oFlrmhgReLHqcmRJZP0O u/2guzGzJcuQRREaYFJkjcbi2luKWK03tk1n7Dm1M2YY/6/NRlTE88eH12pk/XrTNofi 8tH5IODz0mMungkh2iI9a6aEePkSr5RnWNm9Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.99.7 with SMTP id em7mr3876926wib.7.1330554543968; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.75.146 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:29:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1330357150.2159.30.camel@guybrush> <693e15008681dfe7372eaea66214f8a8.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06AC3152C6C@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06AC3152F5D@il-ex2.zend.net> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:29:03 -0800 Message-ID: To: Arvids Godjuks Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04182804f2911504ba21debd Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar type hinting From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig) --f46d04182804f2911504ba21debd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would challenge the preconceived notion that it's likely to be rejected. It winds up being a form of circular logic. For example, you argued that previous tries failed to be approved because nobody wanted to do the work. But then you said that nobody wants to do the work because it has failed to be approved previously. Circle complete. It's also worth noting that opinions and sentiments do change over time, even in just a couple years. Honestly, the "how" question is very important. But we can't even go there yet when we still haven't solidly figured out the "what". I do agree that the logistics of actually getting it done should be evaluated carefully before an RFC is voted on. However, right now I think that's a bit premature since we're nowhere close to that stage at this point. We don't even have a draft RFC yet, much less something that can be voted on or have test patches created for. --Kris On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Arvids Godjuks wrote: > Kris i have a question for you - who will implement a test patch? Previous > tries failed not because no one wanted, but because it was damn hard and > tricky. And ofcourse there was resistance against strict type hinting. Mine > included. I doubt any of the last timeinvolved will be willing to do that > again. So that is it: who has the skill, knowlage and will to do that > knowing there is very big chance it will be rejected? > --f46d04182804f2911504ba21debd--