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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:22:10 -0800
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To: Adam Richardson <simpleshot@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar type hinting
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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+1 what Anthony said.

I think it would be prudent, as some have already suggested, for those of
us who are interested in this topic to move it to a more discreet location
so as to reduce some of the noise all around.  I'll take a look at Google
docs and see if that will suit our purposes.  If anyone else has any ideas
on this, please share them!  =)

--Kris


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Adam Richardson <simpleshot@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:53 PM, John Crenshaw <johncrenshaw@priacta.com
> >wrote:
>
> > OK everyone, it seems that some people have forgotten or missed the
> > original agreement that this thread started with. There is a
> communication
> > disconnect ("strict typing" means horribly different things to different
> > people right now). Please read through and understand the following
> > terminology before continuing to post on this thread. We've agreed to the
> > following terms:
> >
> > - "Strict Typing" means the super strict old C style typing *with no
> > implicit conversions*. (If you really think this is what you want, you
> are
> > probably mistaken. Look through prior discussions on this topic. This
> fails
> > for numerous reasons, including the fact that almost every input to PHP
> is
> > a string.)
> >
>
> Where is the term "strict typing" coming from? I've not seen this used to
> describe any type system (doesn't mean it's not been used, but I'd really
> like to see the usage so I can understand the label.)
>
>
> > - "Weak Typing" means types in the same sense that the PHP documentation
> > uses types (for example, the docs indicate substr(string, integer), and
> > substr(12345, "2") == "345".) (If you think you want "strict typing",
> this
> > is probably what you mean.)
> >
>
> Doesn't weak typing mean that the language implicitly converts types for
> use according to a set of rules? The opposite of this being strong typing,
> which means the language does not perform implicit conversions.
>
>
> > - "No Scalar Typing" should be used to indicate the current system (where
> > there is no provision for hinting at scalar types.)
> >
>
> And, curious about the "No Scalar Typing"?
>
> Sorry for the questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
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