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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:15:29 -0500
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To: Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com>
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	Michael Morris <dmgx.michael@gmail.com>, Lazare Inepologlou <linepogl@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar type hinting
From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara)

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Can I make a suggestion?  Instead of an rfc, can we collate the existing
discussion into an easier to digest format (historical as well).  Summarize
the conversations and existing rfcs with the discussion around them
(including the pros/cons and problems).  That way we have a point of
reference and comparison with which to base the rfc on, and a way to judge
and rate the rfc...

Anthony
On Feb 28, 2012 3:09 PM, "Kris Craig" <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:

> @Michael Would you be willing to delay that?  Rather than create a bunch of
> new RFC's, I was thinking it might be better if all interested parties came
> together on some other communication medium and worked on a single,
> collaborative RFC instead.
>
> --Kris
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Michael Morris <dmgx.michael@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Now I'm going to go work up a detailed RFC for what I posted earlier
> > with some additional clarification as to when errors should and
> > shouldn't be thrown.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:53 PM, John Crenshaw <johncrenshaw@priacta.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > > OK everyone, it seems that some people have forgotten or missed the
> > original agreement that this thread started with. There is a
> communication
> > disconnect ("strict typing" means horribly different things to different
> > people right now). Please read through and understand the following
> > terminology before continuing to post on this thread. We've agreed to the
> > following terms:
> > >
> > > - "Strict Typing" means the super strict old C style typing *with no
> > implicit conversions*. (If you really think this is what you want, you
> are
> > probably mistaken. Look through prior discussions on this topic. This
> fails
> > for numerous reasons, including the fact that almost every input to PHP
> is
> > a string.)
> > > - "Weak Typing" means types in the same sense that the PHP
> documentation
> > uses types (for example, the docs indicate substr(string, integer), and
> > substr(12345, "2") == "345".) (If you think you want "strict typing",
> this
> > is probably what you mean.)
> > > - "No Scalar Typing" should be used to indicate the current system
> > (where there is no provision for hinting at scalar types.)
> > >
> > > In addition, if someone potentially new expresses support for "Strict
> > Typing", please assume that they really mean weak typing unless proven
> > otherwise (this is by far the more likely intent.) Don't get mean,
> politely
> > clarify terminology so that everyone can be on the same page. If someone
> > still insists that they want "Strict Typing" (as defined above), point
> them
> > to the prior discussions on the topic which explain exactly what the
> > problems with this are.
> > >
> > > John Crenshaw
> > > Priacta, Inc.
> >
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