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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:19:13 -0800
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To: Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Scalar type hinting
From: kris.craig@gmail.com (Kris Craig)

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Lol be my guest.  You won't have much success though because I have not
relied upon hyperbole and logical fallacies to substantiate my arguments.
On the contrary, my argument thus far can be summarized thusly:


   - The issue of type hinting isn't going to go away, otherwise it would
   have by now.
   - This feature, if implemented correctly, won't "break" PHP or
   compromise backwards compatibility.
   - I will push back against any efforts to silence this discussion as has
   been done in the past.
   - If you can't disagree with someone without accusing them of being
   ill-informed, disloyal, or just plain dumb; then you're not contributing
   anything constructive to this discussion.


There, I just saved you the trouble.  =3D)

--Kris


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Kris Craig <kris.craig@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 what Anthony said.
>>
>> Guys, seriously.  Some of these responses have been downright rude and
>> inappropriate for a constructive dialogue.  Please do not pollute this
>> thread with cliche, "Just find another language and get out!" posts.  It
>> doesn't add anything to the conversation and instead just creates needle=
ss
>> anger and animosity.  It's immature and just makes it look like we're
>> incapable of having a rational discussion.
>>
>> So, let me outline a list of "arguments" that will carry ZERO weight on
>> this thread:
>>
>>    - "If you don't like PHP as it is, goto Java (or some other
>>    language)!"
>>    - "We've already talked about this before.  Therefore, we must never
>>    speak of it again."
>>    - "This is impossible.  Why?  Because I said so.  You want evidence?
>>    Fuck you."
>>    - "But this would require significant changes to the core source
>>    code!  We'd never be able to find enough sacrificial penguins to appe=
ase
>>    the gods!"
>>    - "Anyone who likes this idea is either stupid or not a 'true' PHP
>>    developer."
>>    - "If you disagree with me, it means you haven't done your homework
>>    because I'm always right."
>>    - "Strict typing would break everything!  What?  You're not talking
>>    about C-like strict typing?  Sorry, I didn't catch that.  Strict typi=
ng
>>    would break everything!...."
>>    - "I don't care if you've already countered my argument.  I'll just
>>    keep repeating myself as if you didn't."
>>
>>
>> Variations of the above statements have been posted ad nauseum.  They're
>> all based on logical fallacies and are not constructive.
>>
>> I'm putting this out there:  If anyone posts one or more of the above
>> arguments yet again on this topic, I will personally extract one of your
>> kidneys and sell it to a questionable "dog food" company in Shanghai.  I
>> will then openly mock your intellectual laziness and encourage people to
>> ignore you.  ;P
>>
>>
>> I'd love to prove Daniel wrong, but I think he may be on to
>> something....  :\
>>
>>
> it is weird that you are calling others rude.
> I'm sure you would feel hurt/personally attacked, if somebody would creat=
e
> a similar list of the little bit twisted arguments of yours.
> could we stay on the topic?
> another 14 mails to read. :/
>
> --
> Ferenc Kov=E1cs
> @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
>

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