Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:57653 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 12386 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2012 10:46:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Feb 2012 10:46:24 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zigo@debian.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zigo@debian.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain debian.org from 117.121.247.104 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zigo@debian.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 117.121.247.104 mx.atlanta.gplhost.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [117.121.247.104] ([117.121.247.104:39496] helo=mx.atlanta.gplhost.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 95/00-11798-EFABB2F4 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:46:23 -0500 Received: from mx.atlanta.gplhost.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx.atlanta.gplhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93F4FE37C; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (atl.apt-proxy.gplhost.com [117.121.247.20]) by mx.atlanta.gplhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 18C00FE34D; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 10:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F2BBAF8.1060409@debian.org> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:46:16 +0800 Organization: Debian User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20111110 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Debian Developers , 657698 <657698@bugs.debian.org>, PHP internals , Debian PHP Maintainers References: <1328228902.3385.151.camel@fermat.scientia.net> In-Reply-To: <1328228902.3385.151.camel@fermat.scientia.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suhosin patch disabled by default in Debian php5 builds From: zigo@debian.org (Thomas Goirand) On 02/03/2012 08:28 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > The reasons why I've opened #657698 was just, because I though it could > be possible for the PHP maintainers to reduce their burden, by just > offering both, packages with suhosin and without. > If there are bugs in the with suhosin version, they can either redirect > people to upstream, or the no suhosin version or even (if time is > available) try to help. > I think you are under estimating how much work Ondrej has done already in the past, and how much *more* work you are asking him to do here, when the whole PHP team is shouting for help! Yes, adding yet another build *is more work*, not less. Ondrej's post is mostly motivated by his lack of time (please, Ondrej, correct me if I'm wrong), and the fact that for him, continuing to maintain PHP with Suhosin is difficult and time consuming (he made few points explaining why). If Stefan was ready to help (or someone else), both in maintaining the patch and extension in Debian, and also help with the packaging of PHP itself, and with bug reports, triaging and such, it would be totally different. But as much as I can tell, neither Stefan or anyone else seem to be willing to make the necessary efforts. I've bring that up with Stefan, and yet didn't receive a reply from him on this topic. Thomas