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To: Dmitri Snytkine <dsnytkine@ultralogistics.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4's New De-referencing plus assignment
From: will.fitch@gmail.com (Will Fitch)

That variable is used for getting error messages.

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On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Dmitri Snytkine
<dsnytkine@ultralogistics.com> wrote:

> IT would probably be even more convenient to just say
> if( (new Validator())->isValid($value) ){
>
> }
>
> No reason to just temporaraly assign $validator.
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Weier O'Phinney [mailto:weierophinney@php.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:50 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4's New De-referencing plus assignment
>
> On 2011-12-01, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Ralph Schindler
>> <ralph@ralphschindler.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> needs to somehow guarantee that all methods of the type $foo will retur=
n
>>> $this. =C3=82 (BTW, this is not an argument for my feature as much as i=
ts an
>>> argument as much as its one for "if we're going to do something, why no=
t
> do
>>> it correctly in the first place".) =C3=82 The correct path here, IMO, w=
ould
> be to
>>> simply carry the expression result (since we're using '(' expr ')' out
> and
>>> allow dereferencing on whatever comes out of it.
>>>
>>
>> I would argue though that your syntax is completely possible today:
>>
>> $foo =3D new Foo;
>> $foo->bar();
>>
>> What's the reason to put that in a single line?  Aside from terseness,
>> is there any other benefit?  With the new dereference, one benefit is
>> that no variable is populated when none is needed.  But in your case,
>> you need both variables...
>
> Here's another example.
>
> We have validator classes. Typically, you call isValid() to see if a
> value validates. If it does, you have no more use for the validator. If
> it _doesn't_, however, you'll want to get the error messages. I could
> see the following as being a nice, succinct way to use validators:
>
>    if (!(($validator =3D new SomeValidator())->isValid($value))) {
>        // Validation failed, get messages...
>        $view->assign('errors' =3D> $validator->getMessages());
>        return $view->render('error');
>    }
>    // validation passed, do something...
>
> Yes, this could be written as follows:
>
>    $validator =3D new SomeValidator();
>    if (!$validator->isValid($value)) {
>        // ...
>    }
>    // ...
>
> However, I can see some folks not really wanting that variable
> declaration if they won't be using it outside the conditional.
>
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