Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56259 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81732 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 22:18:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 22:18:21 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tyra3l@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tyra3l@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tyra3l@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.42 mail-qw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.42] ([209.85.216.42:54364] helo=mail-qw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5C/72-00436-BAD4CBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:18:20 -0500 Received: by qadc16 with SMTP id c16so3157237qad.8 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:18:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ogvTiMzon3M0Mpd0ru7VfX6Q9wOUeff61BmkjkklhHg=; b=D21r28i+y/m0w/VNmcepc83mwMUOPAm8F/u2OmEor0iMAccWPYsNzZXLO/D8JkFp+P dqb/0Y/2f9bcnPYtIZpW4+2mMX2f86i5wwhP04Q/tYwY4iLO8OCrepjSODFSus2XvxYb hAZMEmj8nJ3Zk90bZXINGLpZ545WXZyYiXgFA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.174.211 with SMTP id u19mr7598101qaz.39.1320963495842; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.12.211 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:18:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4EBADCE4.9030702@sugarcrm.com> <4EBAF5D8.40608@sugarcrm.com> <4EBB5847.50400@lerdorf.com> <4EBBFE8B.40308@lerdorf.com> <4EBC1564.8090600@lerdorf.com> <4EBC2E68.7010403@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:18:15 +0100 Message-ID: To: Pierre Joye Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , PHP Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b397dd5b5ee529804b168c765 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs) --485b397dd5b5ee529804b168c765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf > wrote: > > On 11/10/2011 10:38 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf > wrote: > >> > >>> We are not talking about a specific RFC here. This discussion is abou= t > >>> changing the current way of voting. > >> > >> Yes, and that's what I'm talking about too. > > > > Ok, then I guess I don't understand what your argument is. We already > > agreed that leaders of large projects get a vote and the voting RFC > > (which you helped write) is quite clear that language changes need a 2/= 3 > > majority to pass but 50%+1 for other changes. Could you please clearly > > state what it is you want to change then? Because so far to me it sound= s > > a bit like you are simply beating up on the people who chose to vote > > differently from you on this latest RFC. > > It is clear to me and I get the feeling here, with Tyrael's thread and > Stas arguments that this agreement is all of a sudden invalid. And > that's where I so strongly disagree. > > If that's not the case, and after a 2nd thought, it is actually not > the case, then we can just discard this whole thread and go back to > code and proposals. I only find very disturbing to have to explain and > argue so many times about that only because we have a edge case in a > proposal (which is perfectly valid, that happens, show must go on). > > If that's the case, could someone please update the voting RFC? The most common questions, misunderstandings: - "that have contributed code to PHP": this is too vague, as it could mean either -- C code (contributed code to the PHP language not to the project) -- any code (web, tests, etc.) -- any contribution (documentation for example) - how are the the PHP community representatives selected? -- the "Representatives from the PHP community, that will be chosen by those with php.net SVN accounts" line would suggest that "we" select the representatives, but from the discussion it seems more likely that we only approve the applications. how would that work exactly? -- is there any technical or other difference between a vote of the community representatives and those with SVN accounts? (both Rasmus and Stas mentioned in this thread that in extreme cases having the majority of the votes isn't enough if the majority of the "core-devs" are against it). -- is there any limitation for the newly approved representatives? (are there any limit on the number of community representatives? etc.) For the record: I didn't created this draft/thread to change the current rules, I only wanted to clear up the misunderstanding and find out what do we all mean by those rules exactly. When I was asked recently by William DURAND that how could he be a community representative I couldn't just send him a link, that here is how, you have to follow these steps and you are good to go. I could only tell him, that by the voting RFC we do have community representatives, and they can vote, but I don't know how that works, but being the lead of the Propel ORM would be make him a good candidate. So I asked him to send an email to the mailing list, hoping that someone with better understanding of the process can clear that up. There is no reply to his mail yet: http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg54229.html --=20 Ferenc Kov=C3=A1cs @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu --485b397dd5b5ee529804b168c765--