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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:08:55 -0700
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To: Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com>
Cc: Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>, PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote
From: chrisstocktonaz@gmail.com (Chris Stockton)

Hello,

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We are not talking about giving a voice to totally irrelevant people
> but well known PHP project leaders, who already contribute to PHP in
> one way or another. We are not either talking about them telling us
> what to implement, or what to do next. That won't change and did not
> change for what we have done in the past, as you can see in 5.4.0.
>

I would like to chime in by saying pretty much anyone who posts to
this list is taking time out of there schedule and if the feedback is
constructive, that person is relevant. If they own a fortune 500
company, or are a jr developer for a small startup, they are surely
providing feedback that is valuable to the PHP Group and to introduce
a method of measurement of a voices worth is only going to further
widen the communication gap we have seen in the past; that has
recently seen small measures of improvement.

I think voting on features shouldn't be so cut and dry as it is looked
at now. Really there should be two parts, first each person who
responds to this list should count towards measuring the php
communitys desire for a given proposal. That is really the only way
give PHP the community feeling you would expect from a open source
project, this will also provide people with motivation for
contributing what just may be PHP's next best thing. The second part
is adoption and implementation, it isn't fair or even possible to
implement every feature that has overwhelming community support, so a
core contributors sponsorship is required, this is basically what we
already see now for most things. By what I am reading, we are just
cutting out the community voice through arbitrary measures of
importance.

The long story short, start nit picking the importance of community
feedback and I see it having a negative impact on PHP. The last thing
I want to do is see people start sending resumes to the list to have
there votes count.

-Chris