Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56248 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 58056 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 19:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 19:54:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ircmaxell@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ircmaxell@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ircmaxell@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.170 mail-vx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.170] ([209.85.220.170:61526] helo=mail-vx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EF/10-01205-D0C2CBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:54:54 -0500 Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so3090972vcb.29 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:54:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ik0GqSV86hFya3QasG1UliQSWhmoF+FURgRCQQXVAPY=; b=mfv97P4xTC5gZzZgHYMWkXZpVVpPMAfRP5ZpukkIZc0bd7hhdp7qO0XLE8JLiTg9OV Ag0bmov5fsRWuxCnOgV1RQ2qNSQsI9H8hNMf9GRIELg7H0HeOND8zElHEXx7vM73A9N6 tGY5uzr79mHJrcq13kKrYcAM79gguShSGO8Tg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.67.213 with SMTP id s21mr1470133qci.89.1320954891384; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.6.202 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:54:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4EBADCE4.9030702@sugarcrm.com> <4EBAF5D8.40608@sugarcrm.com> <003f01cc9faa$77670a40$66351ec0$@com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ronald Chmara Cc: "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" , Jonathan Bond-Caron , Stas Malyshev , Nikita Popov , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara) Ronald, Very well said. Thanks for the clarification. Anthony On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Ronald Chmara wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Anthony Ferrara wr= ote: >>> However, and it is what we approved, OSS project leads have a voice, >>> today and here. And they are not random people, they know sometimes >>> much better than us what should be added to the core (be language, or >>> functions in an extension like spl). >> Well, I would like to make a point here. =A0Right now, and the >> discussion here is that people who contribute to the core and OSS >> project leads get a say in the language. =A0What would happen if Google >> chose to use PHP instead of Python. =A0Would they get a voice? =A0Should >> they get a voice? (even if it's just a single vote)...? =A0What about >> professional lead/senior developers who use and develop large and high >> traffic sites off the language? =A0What about the sysadmins and/or OS >> package maintainers who implement and maintain the language for mass >> adoption? =A0What about the individual hosts that contribute so much to >> the traction and adoption of PHP as a whole? =A0Do any of them get a >> say? > > All of these people do have a voice, and some weight, what they do not > have is *equal* weight, or an *equal* vote (if any vote at all). > > Once a php contributor has become familiar with the different players, > and who, and what, they represent, they can selectively evaluate > individual arguments based on their weight. Without naming (outing?) > specific user names, I can say that no less than three of the top ten > websites (on the planet) have voices, and representation, in the > various arguments and discussions here. The largest install bases of > the most popular PHP applications also carry weight here. Same with > frameworks, cross-compilers, etc. > > There is also the weight, and arguments, of users who have hundreds, > or even just one (with low traffic), website/project based on php... > but their arguments are often far outweighed by the arguments of those > who represent the needs of thousands, or millions, of websites and > users. > > -Ronabop >