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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:49:55 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote
From: ronabop@gmail.com (Ronald Chmara)

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>> However, and it is what we approved, OSS project leads have a voice,
>> today and here. And they are not random people, they know sometimes
>> much better than us what should be added to the core (be language, or
>> functions in an extension like spl).
> Well, I would like to make a point here. =A0Right now, and the
> discussion here is that people who contribute to the core and OSS
> project leads get a say in the language. =A0What would happen if Google
> chose to use PHP instead of Python. =A0Would they get a voice? =A0Should
> they get a voice? (even if it's just a single vote)...? =A0What about
> professional lead/senior developers who use and develop large and high
> traffic sites off the language? =A0What about the sysadmins and/or OS
> package maintainers who implement and maintain the language for mass
> adoption? =A0What about the individual hosts that contribute so much to
> the traction and adoption of PHP as a whole? =A0Do any of them get a
> say?

All of these people do have a voice, and some weight, what they do not
have is *equal* weight, or an *equal* vote (if any vote at all).

Once a php contributor has become familiar with the different players,
and who, and what, they represent, they can selectively evaluate
individual arguments based on their weight. Without naming (outing?)
specific user names, I can say that no less than three of the top ten
websites (on the planet) have voices, and representation, in the
various arguments and discussions here. The largest install bases of
the most popular PHP applications also carry weight here. Same with
frameworks, cross-compilers, etc.

There is also the weight, and arguments, of users who have hundreds,
or even just one (with low traffic), website/project based on php...
but their arguments are often far outweighed by the arguments of those
who represent the needs of thousands, or millions, of websites and
users.

-Ronabop