Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56243 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 48324 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 18:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 18:57:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 67.192.241.203 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.192.241.203 smtp203.dfw.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [67.192.241.203] ([67.192.241.203:39504] helo=smtp203.dfw.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EC/7E-01205-1BE1CBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:57:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp20.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C31D925809D; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:57:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp20.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 5F3D22582F9; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:57:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4EBC1EAD.80506@sugarcrm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:57:49 -0800 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre Joye CC: PHP Internals References: <4EBADCE4.9030702@sugarcrm.com> <4EBAF5D8.40608@sugarcrm.com> <4EBB7967.1070006@sugarcrm.com> <4EBBA278.60803@sugarcrm.com> <4EBC0C2F.9060404@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] who can vote From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > well even for proposals which got accepted. This is not about specific > proposals but about this exact discussion to go back to our old model. > I'm totally against it. That will kill any effort we have put to get > more contributors and feedback or help from our users. Nobody talks about going "to old model", whatever it is. We have RFCs, we have release process, we have discussion lists, we have community vote when we need it - all this is not going to go anywhere. But you say it's not enough - you say we need to actually make people be able to cast a binding vote in the project without being part of it. I don't see how not accepting it would constitute "going back to old model". > We are not talking about giving a voice to totally irrelevant people > but well known PHP project leaders, who already contribute to PHP in > one way or another. We are not either talking about them telling us > what to implement, or what to do next. That won't change and did not > change for what we have done in the past, as you can see in 5.4.0. That didn't change, but my understanding is that that's exactly what you are proposing to change now. If it is not, then what you are proposing? I understood that you proposed that votes cast by non-members of PHP project would actually be binding for the project. If it is not so, I misunderstood you - then please explain what is your proposed change. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227