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To: Patrick ALLAERT <patrickallaert@php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Patrick ALLAERT
<patrickallaert@php.net> wrote:

> You're mixing stuff here.
> "RFC on PSR-0 support into PHP status" != "PSR-0 status"

I do not. But we are confusing our old vision and what users are looking for.

> However, *how* PSR-0 might be introduced into PHP, for those who uses
> it, is for sure not ready yet and certainly not approved!
>
> I'm all for having a PSR-0 loader in the core of PHP, but if I voted
> "No", that is because I think the RFC is not ready yet.

That's a single non intrusive function representing what has been
approved by many projects. Nobody is forced to use it nor does it
enforce anything.

> Some are blocking because they kinda feel forced if this is introduced.
> Ignore those, PHP wouldn't have bundled ext/mysql for the same reasons
> about 15 years ago.
>
> I guess that some voted "No" because of lack of consensus.

What amazes me is this exact argument. We never had, in the whole PHP
history, so many leading projects agreeing on something, together and
propose it to the core. I, for one, have been waiting for that to
happen for years (PEAR, etc.), and now that it is happening, what do
we do? 'No thanks', for whatever reasons. That's so wrong.


Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

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