Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:56229 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 90485 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2011 14:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Nov 2011 14:05:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.170 mail-yx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.170] ([209.85.213.170:64034] helo=mail-yx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 18/83-01205-B2ADBBE4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:05:32 -0500 Received: by yenm5 with SMTP id m5so2225844yen.29 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:05:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6+NsMWlPamSCkBOSEngHIBzHgLoYNpPBUVHyKhjWzZg=; b=U3/lVsnwvCxCWrAVAHbpJAEeSE+T3Hj9k8fTpU5Fj1vgwinLP/uBT9UeG5FcgNTx6W yeVmjEPKSV7v1pojC7ViXIGZ8nYsdxodQCUMsOt79GgzeB3uMmpGelTIAxMAEWN8boQN Itx2xMgjCpalzBomdl1k+QvmhjCRKlcPhUg/o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.146.190.21 with SMTP id n21mr1957068yaf.39.1320933897907; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.147.113.15 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:04:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBBA0D6.9060809@sugarcrm.com> References: <-4079824451837834664@unknownmsgid> <4EBB7A7B.9030303@sugarcrm.com> <4EBBA0D6.9060809@sugarcrm.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] SplClassLoader RFC Voting phase From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Nobody's blocking anything. See the votes, that's pretty much us vs the rest. And it is not the 1st time (happened already in the past before we had the RFC process, so it will become more and more visible. >> And as far as I can see, the RFC is approved as of now. > > It's 19:17 and the vote is not even closed - hence the "as of now". But you did not give it a single change by killing it with RC1 without the patch, while we agreed on getting it in if it was approved. > that's what we are calling > consensus now? because it looks like exactly what I was afraid of when we > discussed voting starts to happen - the "I have 50%+1, I won, anyone who > doesn't like it can shut up" phenomenon, which can't be healthy. As per definition there will always have 50% +1, or 60% +1, or whatever else. As of language changes it requires more than 50%+1. But what I call a consensus is to have the ability to non legacy developers to propose something and gets it accepted even if we, the legacy developers, stick to our old ideas and views. And so far it works well, due to developers changing their minds with the time and new contributors. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org